tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post6226123018921453847..comments2024-03-22T13:39:55.941-07:00Comments on Math Mama Writes...: On the Math StandardsSue VanHattumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-87240855402059977662010-04-05T21:29:36.004-07:002010-04-05T21:29:36.004-07:00Agreed - I'd love to participate.Agreed - I'd love to participate.james boutinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625944306253098621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-32441468338083084752010-04-05T14:40:22.309-07:002010-04-05T14:40:22.309-07:00@RE, sure, you're making sense. If we think st...@RE, sure, you're making sense. If we think standards are a sensible idea, then they may have to be set up differently in different subjects.<br /><br />I'm tempted to agree with JD that standards are likely to be monstrous. On the other hand, an educator I greatly admire (she doesn't blog, unfortunately) thinks something is needed so kids who move from place to place can have a reasonable classroom experience. <br /><br />Who would come, if we did an online conversation about this? Maria D knows how to set that sort of thing up. I'd love to hear this issue knocked around some.Sue VanHattumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-584020842135260162010-04-05T13:56:05.494-07:002010-04-05T13:56:05.494-07:00Do you mean one of the broad standards I'm thi...Do you mean one of the broad standards I'm thinking about my content area? For social studies, it might be something like this were I doing a history unit on the industrial revolution: <br /><br />Analyze the emergence and effects of the Industrial Revolution.<br /><br />or, even more broadly:<br /><br />Analyze the effects of the interactions between humans and the environment.<br /><br />Because there are so many different specifics one might cover in a world history course, creating rigorous broad standards that teachers can use to cover the specifics they want is what I think allows teachers to do what they do best. However, I think the success of such broad standards would rely on quality educators.<br /><br />My point above was that I'm not sure such a broad type of standard could apply in every subject area. Am I making sense?james boutinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625944306253098621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-37665467540182046672010-04-02T11:23:40.754-07:002010-04-02T11:23:40.754-07:00SAT and PSAT were good to me.
but that was a lon...SAT and PSAT were good to me. <br />but that was a long time ago<br />in, you should forgive the phrase,<br />a kinder, gentler, nation. also<br />you could just put your thumb<br />out and get a ride and the cops<br />wouldn't mind and when i <br />needed new glasses medicaid<br />stepped right up and all sorts<br />of stuff like that. the propaganda<br />machine won't admit there are<br />punishments for those that fail;<br />there can only be *rewards* for<br />those who *win*. moreover,<br />*everybody* can win in theory<br />so it's their own damn fault<br />if they weren't born rich. <br />kinda thing. the big pretense<br />is always that rewards will<br />be allotted in something<br />resembling a fair way; if you<br />*won't* go along with this,<br />good luck getting heard <br />above the person-to-person<br />at all anywhere for all i can see.r. r. vlorbikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02746118913980983815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-42654078406584713892010-04-02T07:45:24.944-07:002010-04-02T07:45:24.944-07:00RE, could you give me an example of a standard you...RE, could you give me an example of a standard you'd like to see?Sue VanHattumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-79105203165656322122010-04-02T01:10:17.603-07:002010-04-02T01:10:17.603-07:00Interesting post. I've always thought broad n...Interesting post. I've always thought broad national standards for language arts and social studies could be a good thing (benchmarks that would allow for local interpretation), but I wonder if it would be different in math. Should there be different methods of standard writing in different content areas?james boutinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625944306253098621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-61304394507956002592010-03-29T12:06:16.596-07:002010-03-29T12:06:16.596-07:00I wrote yesterday on Jose Vilson's blog:
&qu...I wrote yesterday on Jose Vilson's blog: <br /><br />"there is a huge difference between “how can we help these kids?” and “how can we help these kids reach the standards?” and I submit that one of these questions is noble and the other is monstrous."<br /><br />I am convinced. Convinced. that bad standards distort teaching horribly, and that I haven't seen anything that looks remotely close to good standards. I doubt such a thing can exist.<br /><br />And then I read some of your explanation for why they (good standards) are unlikely. <br /><br />And, though I am coming at them from a different angle, I agree:<br /><br />I don't like the idea of standards, either.<br /><br />JonathanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com