tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post7410052855233937320..comments2024-03-22T13:39:55.941-07:00Comments on Math Mama Writes...: Book: The False Promises of Constructivist Theories of LearningSue VanHattumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-80113815046734205912011-06-09T15:58:03.939-07:002011-06-09T15:58:03.939-07:00Well, where will kids go? Some parents can't a...Well, where will kids go? Some parents can't afford to pay for their care during the day, whether you call it schooling or not.<br /><br />I know you see schooling from just its bad side. I see it as 'contested territory'. Have you read Deborah Meier's book, <i>The Power of Their Ideas</i>, about the elementary school she started in Harlem? It sounds like a great school.Sue VanHattumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-87999725091763674352011-06-09T14:02:17.252-07:002011-06-09T14:02:17.252-07:00the "voucher" thing never fails to amaze...the "voucher" thing never fails to amaze me.<br />let 'em go *ahead* and abolish government<br />schools... *and* quit making the public pay.<br />why we-the-people should be made to<br />turn tax monies over to for-profits is a mystery.<br />it worked pretty well in the "insurance" racket i guess.<br /><br />your humble & ob't servant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-42327866926078874532011-06-09T12:50:45.997-07:002011-06-09T12:50:45.997-07:00Owen, what's yh&os mean? I remember that I...Owen, what's yh&os mean? I remember that I didn't like Illich as much as I'd hoped to. I think it wasn't down-to-Earth enough.<br /><br />I like some of the ideas on preservenet, but they support school vouchers, which pushes more money toward those who are well-off. We need some sort of public school system, controlled by the families who use it, and funded by the whole society, imo.<br /><br />Anders, I don't follow this line:<br />>But much of our present system is the 'progressive' one of licensure and regulation that brought us out crummy schools. <br /><br />Also, the wealth bought at the expense of enclosure of the commons went to a few. I *think* we disagree, though I'm not sure.Sue VanHattumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-43161299434804416382011-06-09T11:57:20.796-07:002011-06-09T11:57:20.796-07:00Interesting points. It should be pointed out thoug...Interesting points. It should be pointed out though that there is a tragedy of the commons. The enclosures and industrial revolution and advances in health made possible the combined population explosion and increase in wealth. Free exchange, such as it was allowed, did in fact serve as the basis of mutual support and moral reciprocity. I'm reminded of the south park episode where all the hippies are getting together talking about how they want a community where everyone helps each others, and the kids Stan and Marsh say "like a town?" pointing out this mutual assistance is already happening all around them. A post commons social order supported a much larger population in great wealth. This is not to say the our present system is perfect. But much of our present system is the 'progressive' one of licensure and regulation that brought us out crummy schools. By contrast a sudbury schools allows free enterprise for each student (enterprise doesn't have to be for only monetary gain.) <br /><br />(For more - see Rothbard The American Economy and the End of Laissez-Faire: 1870 to World War II OR go to the mises institute.)Andershttp://mises.org/daily/author/1211/Anders-Mikkelsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-62184840204320483292011-06-09T11:39:33.312-07:002011-06-09T11:39:33.312-07:00good stuff here; thanks for the lead.
illich rock...good stuff here; thanks for the lead.<br /><br />illich rocks but you seem already to know.<br />that whole "preservenet.com" thing looks<br />pretty cool now that it's come up.<br />http://www.preservenet.com/theory/<br />.<br />gatto! paul goodman! a-and...<br /><br />yh&os. V.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-57684330885504491402011-06-06T21:45:31.399-07:002011-06-06T21:45:31.399-07:00Thanks for pointing to his site. I'll check it...Thanks for pointing to his site. I'll check it out.<br /><br />And maybe it's time for me to reread Illich.Sue VanHattumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237941346154683902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5303307482158922565.post-61361442426788581742011-06-06T17:47:05.952-07:002011-06-06T17:47:05.952-07:00Thanks for pointing this one out. You may want to ...Thanks for pointing this one out. You may want to check out some of the online articles on his site, rather than shelling out for the full cost of the book.<br /><br />http://www.cabowers.net/CAbookarticle.php<br /><br />As far as education as colonization, I've been wanting to check out the film Schooling the World (http://schoolingtheworld.org), I'm assuming some of the critique takes off from Illich (http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Illich/Deschooling/intro.html).dan.mackinnonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13603404133431327842noreply@blogger.com